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Jul 21, 2025

An international speaker, Microsoft MVP, ASPInsider, MCSD, PSM II, PSD, and PST, and a passionate member of the developer community, Phil has been working with .NET since the first betas, developing software for over 40 years, and has been heavily involved in the Agile community since 2005 as well as a Professional Scrum Trainer. Phil has taken over the best-selling Pro C# books (Apress Publishing), including Pro C# 10, is the President of the Cincinnati .NET Users Group (Cinnug.org), and the Cincinnati Software Architect Group, founded and runs the CincyDeliver conference (Cincydeliver.org), and volunteers for the National Ski Patrol. During the day, Phil works as the CTO & Chief Architect for Pintas & Mullins. Phil always enjoys learning new tech and is always striving to improve his craft.

 

Topics of Discussion:

[2:53] Why Phil still loves writing software after 40-plus years. 

[5:39] The difference between being a consultant and supporting code long-term.

[8:27] Agile roles and user experience.

[8:40] Embedding engineers in the business to avoid “telephone game” decisions.

[11:30] “Move fast” vs. move efficiently — real-world cautionary tales.

[13:40] Using Figma for business rule diagramming before writing a single line of code.

[14:52] Releasing 4 x per week and getting rapid feedback.

[16:49] NASCAR, motocross, and the connection of slow builds of how software teams avoid friction.

[18:41] Measuring team efficiency, and how Phil eliminated emergency production fixes by mandating quality.

[22:00] Feature flags, PBI coverage, and the team’s shared ownership of the code.

[26:09] AI in legal tech: where it works, where it doesn’t.

[34:56] The architectural shift created by LLMs, vector databases, and agents.

[39:42] AI is not the goal — it’s just a tool for solving the right problems.

[44:03] How Phil uses GitHub Copilot’s agent mode to streamline development.
[46:03] Final thoughts: “It’s not about the tech. It’s about making someone’s life better.”

 

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