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May 6, 2024

An international speaker, Microsoft MVP, ASPInsider, MCSD, PSM II, PSD, and PST, and a passionate member of the developer community, Phil has been working with .NET since the first betas, developing software for over 35 years, and heavily involved in the agile community since 2005 as well as a Professional Scrum Trainer. Phil has taken over the best-selling Pro C# books (Apress Publishing), including Pro C# 10, is the President of the Cincinnati .NET User’s Group (, and the Cincinnati Software Architect Group, co-hosted the Hallway Conversations podcast (, founded and runs the CincyDeliver conference (, and volunteers for the National Ski Patrol. During the day, Phil works as the CTO for Pintas & Mullins. Phil always enjoys learning new tech and is always striving to improve his craft.


Topics of Discussion:

[3:47] Philip’s career journey and why he’s still hands-on coding.

[5:37] Sometimes it’s not a technical problem, but a process or human interaction problem.

[6:37] Philip’s love of mentoring.

[8:18] The importance of collaboration.

[9:53] Challenges in migrating applications from .NET Framework to .NET Core.

[12:55] The importance of staying current.

[14:48] Modernizing legacy web applications using .NET Core.

[19:22] Rebuilding an old app using new technology, with challenges and lessons learned.

[24:22] Gradually introducing a new screen using feature flags is better than a "big bang" rewrite.

[26:01] Continuous deployment helps to roll out new features gradually to limited users.

[27:53] Differences between the .NET framework and .NET Core apps, including configuration settings to environmental awareness.

[34:59] Philip’s favorite resources to dig into, including his book.

[41:20] The power of collaborative learning.


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